is that the right strategy here? >> well, it depends where you're trying to get. i think -- i happen to agree with president obama about where he is substantively in terms of what he needs to do to get an effective program as far as our long term trajectory. i think that's the overriding objective. i think some of his tactics, it's very hard if you're not in the room to know what to do tactically but what he says to me is different than what you said. he said i have a revenue objective, i think we cannot get there with tax expenditures. >> with the tax reductions. >> he's also saying if you put in a serious tax reduction program that deals with the long term fiscal trajectory, you can get ourselves in a much better place for the long term and you can significantly improve long range terms. increase in confidence. you put all that together. what he then said is i'm willing to sit with people and compromise to find common ground. it's sort of what you said but not quite. he says we all have to work together if we're going to meet that objective. >> what do you think